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Nez Perces
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Orlando Gardner
well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is
if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed.
by bob or iac or whoever the fk.
QFT
These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 12:26:24
Originally by: Cardassius
Hi nezzy ;)
ISS isn't dead cause they have iskies :P and shares :)
They hired a bunch of people to kick IAC in the nuts.
Made a picture just for you...  .. hope you are keeping well bud.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Exelsior
That's cute, but you forgot to change the dates on the bottom and it still says 1927-1933. 
It does?? Rats ..... I knew I forgot something. 
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ramblin Man
Scenario:
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4) ISS is back in the outpost business
Why would that happen?
Because if an alliance doesn't want an outpost, who else would they give it to?
You can whine all you want about ISS being untrustworthy and breaking X clause in Y paragraph at Z date, but the fact of the matter is that, looking at things relatively, they're still a couple AUs above everyone else in the trustworthiness and dependability departments.
If you are an ISS supporter, the current developments must suck pretty hard. ISS are gonna get systematically wiped off the face of 0.0 It must be some consolation to cling onto your line of thought.
But.... the reality is its game over for ISS. After all its neutrality and 'good intentions' (and we all know what the road to hell is paved with) ISS has nobody to count on that does not have a commercial interest. To put it bluntly ISS has no friends in 0.0 Mercs aren't friends, alliances that have shares in ISS aren't friends. ISS is alone. ISS' best friend was ISK and unfortunately ISK cannot physically defend your stations. The pipedream of being able to exist in 0.0 and be neutral has been exposed for what it is, a delusion.
If ISS exists in some future state operating in 0.0 it will be under the watch of some 0.0 power, it will become somebody's pet in the business model of the shared outpost with LV. But ISS' neutral outpost holding days are over.
I know it sucks if you subscribed to the pipedream, but its over.
You may not realise it but atm ISS is probably the single most hated entity in the game. ISS' outpost days will be a historical oddity.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Harpoon
Even if you would take each and every ISS outpost - people would still throw their money after us. Because making cash is what we are good at. You can't ruin Microsoft or Oracle or Apple by blowing up a random software shop. It's not going to happen.
Shooting at an idea is just a waste of ammunition.
You are wrong.... nobody is gonna give you money for an outpost ever again, certainly not a 'neutral' one. And about wasting ammunition... you simply do not understand how EVE works. The very ammunition that is being shot at you does not exist, it is a metaphor for displeasure with your ideology.. so infact your ideology is being shot down by another ideology.
And that ideology is Might is Right. You no longer have the might so you will get eliminated. The irony ofc is that you tried to play that game with IAC but it fell flat on its face.
You bring your spreadsheets to EVE and expect all to bow down in awe at your commercial entepreneurship. You must be out of your mind. EVE is about pew pew and power mongering.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Algey
You sir are wrong. ISS makes money for people, money they don't have to make for themselves. People love having money made for them.
Even if we lose all of the stations there will be 500Bn isk being managed by ISS through the IPO, which is totally seperate from the stations. We're a capitalist bug, and we can't be squished that easily 
But when all is said and done.. in this game that we play for fun... you have proven to be more trouble than you are worth.
The attack of the spreadsheets has failed.... the last carebear managed entity in 0.0 is drawing its final breath.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Der Pfaffe
I beg to differ. Your and my idea of fun in EVE might be PVP, but many thousands of players are quite happy to mine, manufacture, trade, mission run, scam or whatever. Many of them never set foot in 0.0 or have even fired a shot in anger, except perhaps at the odd NPC.
Many have absolutely no interest in the power mongering or politics of EVE.
That's the beauty of EVE, there is no one way that is the "right" way to play it. Saying otherwise is just narrowminded.
But back to the OP.... all I can say that there are very interesting times ahead. GL to all those involved.
I am referring to 0.0 where industry/isk is a means to bring more pew pew to the table... in empire anything goes.
But yes back to the OP.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 06/01/2007 09:42:31
Originally by: j0sephine
Out of curiosity Nez... all this talk and the "most hated in EVE" projection on general population and the time you spend haunting these ISS people thread after thread after thread, and the delight you take telling them in most drawn out details just how screwed they are... did they **** in your tech.2 cornflakes, or something? O.o
Oh... its an amalgamation of things....too complicated to explain here. One of them includes my first dealings with ISS as a FIX JCoS where ISS falsely piggy-backed on FIX's status as an emerging 0.0 power to get itself in the EVE news, with a bunch of trumped up lies. It was the first time ISS entered EVE-Consciousness.. and they did it with a lie.
Other reasons include anything that even vaguely resembles CFS makes me see red, because I experienced first hand the kind of player that it attracts. Unfortunately I've also had to deal with that kind of player in NBSI alliances... with their insiduous tendency to talk of free markets and other claptrap... but when it comes to actually putting their ships on the line, they are the first to make themeselves conspicuous by their absence.
In short I could go on for ever ....... 
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